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The Three Brothers
« on: November 27, 2007, 07:50:46 PM »

Full disclosure: I didn't come up with this idea all on my own. The core idea here actually belongs to julian_black on LJ. I just so happened to be reading through the comments to an essay I was linked to (I was reading the wank, OK?) when I came across this one, and more specifically this:

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The only conclusion I could draw from them is that these two characters [i.e. Snape and Harry] were alike.

Is that really the only conclusion you could draw? Really?

Amazing.

You didn't by any chance happen to notice the comparisons between Harry and Tom Riddle while you were obsessing over Snape, did you?

But, in the end, nothing came of these comparisons, and I have no idea what she meant by them.

"The Tale of the Three Brothers." That's all I have to say.

I stared at my screen a few moments in awe. Julian_black is absolutely right. Harry, Snape and Voldemort could be the three brothers from the tale. Each of them can be associated with a different Hallow. Harry is the most obvious. He's possessed the Invisibility Cloak since the beginning of the series, and even though he comes into possession of the other two Hallows, the only one he keeps at the end of the series is the Invisibility Cloak.

Voldemort, I would say, is most closely connected to the Eldar Wand. Even though he was in possession of the Resurrection Stone for a time, he did not recognise it for what it was. Granted, he didn't recognise the Eldar Wand for what it truly was, either, but he did covet it for its power.

Snape, I would say, is most closely connected to the Ressurection Stone. He's got an association with the Eldar Wand, sure, but it's a false one. He was never truly its master. He is, however, very much like Cadmus Peverell, in that he longs for a woman who died before her time, and he can never be joined to her in this life.

I just thought the parallel was really neat.
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Re: The Three Brothers
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 01:43:48 AM »

it is fascinating A, but I'm wondering if instead of Snape, the middle Brother wouldn't be Albus instead? I know Albus held the Elder Wand for a very long time but truely, his association with the Deathly Hallows was always the Resurrection Stone, the RS led to his association with Grindelwald and later the death of his little sister and estrangement from Aberforth, the RS was also that which led to his demise.

In fact, what if "Death" is actually Tom Riddle, who is actually the cause of Albus, Severus and Harry's deathes and Albus, Harry and Severus are the 3 brothers?

dunno, this seems like it could all lead to some pretty interesting essay writing for those with the gumption to do it   Grin
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Re: The Three Brothers
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 07:58:03 AM »

IMO the thing that ties Voldie, Harry and Snape together more than Albus, Harry and Snape is the fact that Voldie, Harry and Snape grew up as outcasts who found their home at Hogwarts. Albus was from a prominent family, and although tragic things happened to them that forced them to go into "hiding" if you will, Albus was already older by then. He had a loving, suportive family through his formative years.

Notice, also, the reference made in the original post to the comparisons between Harry and Tom Riddle, and Harry and Snape. I think this is deliberate on JKR's part. She's made them into figurative brothers, and notice how they all turned out differently. Riddle went all evil. Snape went evil but then repented. Harry remained by and large good.

Heh, remember how Ron said in DH that the Tales of Beedle the Bard were supposed to teach kids lessons? I think we've got one of the moral messages to HP in there.
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Re: The Three Brothers
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 09:09:28 AM »

I think Julian_black is an absolute genius and she layer the snackdown on that wank in a beautiful fashion. Grin

That said, I have to agree with Ash in the idea that Riddle, Snape and Harry are the parallel to the Three Brothers.  However, I also think Nate has a good point, because I think beyond the similarities in their upbringings etc. the main thing that tied Riddle, Snape and Harry together was Dumbledore as a representation of Hogwarts.  So in a way DD is the parallel to "Death", except not in the sense of giving the three "brothers" what they asked for.  In fact, it's kind of a weird twist because DD seems to go out of his way to deny each of them what they want. *ponders*

Am I making any sense here? Huh?
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Re: The Three Brothers
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 01:58:13 PM »

I think JKR confirmed what we were supposed to get from DH: that Harry, Albus, and Voldie all descend from their specific brother. Harry from the one with the Cloak, Albus from the one with the Stone, and Voldie from the one with the Wand.

I think...Anyone?
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Re: The Three Brothers
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 03:23:38 PM »

Voldemort was descended from the brother who invented the stone. Remember in HBP, the Gaunts had it and said it was a family heirloom?

I think JKR just said Harry and Voldemort were related. I don't remember Dumbledore being related to them.
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Re: The Three Brothers
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 07:11:58 PM »

Yes, that's correct!! Thanks, Carissa =)

Voldie from the brother with the stone (hence the Gaunt Family ring) and Harry from the brother with the Cloak (his heirloom).

Albus would wrap that particular Trio up nicely though, wouldn't he? Or perhaps someone else we know.
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Re: The Three Brothers
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2007, 02:16:14 PM »

The Elder Wand wasn't handed down through a bloodline, it was won by "blood" in that the holder was usually killed by a person seeking the wand and its power. The Resurrection Stone and the Invisibility Cloak were handed down through their families though until Voldemort made it into a Horcrux.

Its interesting though, Voldemort without even realizing desecrated one of his ancestor's most powerful possessions by making a Horcrux, but if he had mastered the Stone, he might not have been afraid of death... then again he wouldn't be Voldemort right?


Still, the Tale of the Three Brothers and the fates of the Deathly Hallows could make an interesting plot for a sequel to HP since Jo said we can write 'em now  Cool
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